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Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.05.01 11:08:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:If T2BPO were a ship it would have 100% resistance, be able to deal dread DPS while tracking frigs and having the speed of an interceptor.
''OK for sure but it can only target one ship at a time while inventors ships can target several.'' -Typical T2BPO supporter comment if BPO's were ships.
This is a good comparison to let PVP players know how over powered and in need of removal T2BPO's are and the defence T2BPO supporters give about invention being able to run multiple manufacturing runs at once. T2BPO needs removed/nerfed worse than the Dramiel ever did.
May I ask what are your achievements in EVE as an industrialist ? You speak a lot about invention and manufacturing, but have you at least done something successfull in that domain ? What is your business plan ? How do you think you are gonna make the tens of billions necessary ?
I noticed you are insulting everyone in the forums , CCP, players, industrialists, but who are you and what part of the opinion of the players are you representing ? At first you should try to be a CSM to make hear your voice. Until then you are just ridiculous in a nonsense crusade
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á ---
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Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.05.08 18:10:00 -
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Morgan Dinn wrote:I would be fine with either having more T2 originals in the game or making copies researchable or removing T2 BPOs. Any of those. Don't care which. And no I'm not the guy who ever you are trying to make me be 
Invention is not always profitable because there is a lot of competition : everyone and his dog invent and the dogs aren't very skilled for the maths involved in the process, producing at a loss or feeding a saturated market...
So what you want is more competition : removing T2 bpo or being able to compete with in terms of ME, or seeding more new T2 bpos. Are you really thinking that this will benefit to producers ? Everyone will do the same thing at the same time and the profits will be even thinner. (See the T1 market...)
T2 Bpos are high-end items, which can't be purchased before a long and successfull business plan. There are ways to make isks from industry, not only T2 stuff. In December 2011- January 2012, I made a gross 60 Bil profit from PI. Enough to purchase a T2 bpo.
Those who whine about T2 bpos are imo short sighted industrialists and low-skilled businessmen.
There is no issue with T2 bpo : proof :
- Are T2 items too much expansive ? No
- Are T2 items in shortage ? No
- With their limited supply, can T2 bpo saturate a market ? No because the overproduction comes from invention. (hundreds of inventors doing the same thing at the same time)
- Would the removal of T2 bpos make the impopular mods and ships popular ? No because the reasons why they are in low demand are due to game mechanics.
- Are T2 bpo overpowered ? No. It's huge investment and high-end items for the high-end industrialist only. Don't try to get one if you don't have at least 100 Bil to invest.
Spend less time whining in forums and more on your excel sheets
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á ---
--- -á-á-á-á-á-á WTB Occator Bpo, 110+ Bil-á-á-á-á-á --- |
Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.05.08 21:58:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Lara Dantreb wrote:[
- Are T2 bpo overpowered ? No. It's huge investment and high-end items for the high-end industrialist only. Don't try to get one if you don't have at least 100 Bil to invest. It's not a huge investment if you got given one by CCP for nothing or 'Won' a BPO in a 'Lottery'.
In my case this have never happened. In all cases except one this have never happened. You are only good at insulting people or what ?
I am the argument against your discourse: I bought all my T2 BPOS ! 
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á ---
--- -á-á-á-á-á-á WTB Occator Bpo, 110+ Bil-á-á-á-á-á --- |
Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:29:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:A lottery is not 100% random if the details of it's prize structure and ticket numbers are known. I'm not going to be your own private eve wiki or google but I suggest you go review the lottery to find out how people were able to rapidly increasce their 'chance' of winning a T2bpo, primarly being mailed ticket numbers by guess who a ccp employee. By Ticket numbers I mean how many were in each lottery and how many BPO's were on offer.
Anyone who says T2BPO were introduced fairly or in an legit fashion is detached from reality, remove them.
LOL, you know what, I don't care how T2 BPOs were introduced, and as you don't answer me, I repeat : I bought them all  , CCP did not give me any
You still have no proof and you are still accusing CCP and/or its employees to be fundamentally dishonest. That is insulting. I would not let in my house someone's insulting me, but I'm not CCP
There were not ticket at the T2 bpo lottery, it was random system, you ignorant.
And about the T2 miner bpos, who cares ? CCP is still distributing high-value prizes each year with no problem for everyone (Alliance Tournament)
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á ---
--- -á-á-á-á-á-á WTB Occator Bpo, 110+ Bil-á-á-á-á-á --- |
Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:46:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Anyone who says T2BPO were introduced fairly or in an legit fashion is detached from reality, remove them.
You ask for a remove but almost all T2 bpos have changed of hands since years. Would it be legit and fair to remove them from hands of honest players who purchased them legally ?
T2 Bpos were introduced fairly and legit and you can't figure how I'm happy to not be part of your reality
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á ---
--- -á-á-á-á-á-á WTB Occator Bpo, 110+ Bil-á-á-á-á-á --- |
Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.05.08 22:55:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:For the third time interceptors and yes you forgot to mention the special events where CCP gave out T2BPO's ie the mining ones.
Interceptors were profitable to invent in the 2007-2009 years, I remember I was producing Crow and Claws regularly, Crusaders also. I had no bpo for them and had no problem to sell them with good profit.
Today Inties are in lower demand. Game mechanics behind this not T2 bpos
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á ---
--- -á-á-á-á-á-á WTB Occator Bpo, 110+ Bil-á-á-á-á-á --- |
Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
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Posted - 2012.05.08 23:35:00 -
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Invention was profitable, you can see a picture of my saved Excel spreadsheet below, used for the last time on 2009, June 14th
You can see sorted by margin what to invent and how.
The complete sheet has 456 lines and the xls file weights 8,6 Mo
I don't use it anymore due to lack of interest for invention, but this is the proof that :
I invented much (my corpmates also, tens of inventors involved)
I know what I'm talking about and did all the maths to make it profitable business
Even If I had tens of T2 ship bpos at this moment, I was inventing also for great profits.
T2 bpos and invention are no antinomic but complementary
What to invent and how sorted by margins
Probability Matrix Used
Edit : added ship prices (Jita, 2009/06/14) : T2 ship prices
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Lara Dantreb
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Posted - 2012.05.09 14:27:00 -
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You asked for numbers, here they are.
I did my homework and updated my spreadsheet database (which was pre Dominion) and prices from EVE-Central (Jita)
This is what is the rank list for TODAY of what is profitable to invent
What to invent - ships
Invention is profitable no need to accuse T2 bpos to kill the market.
Just not be dumb and invent wisely
----á-á Buying T2 ship bpos since 2005-á ---
--- -á-á-á-á-á-á WTB Occator Bpo, 110+ Bil-á-á-á-á-á --- |
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